Ezra bumps back, grinning briefly, before his expression sobers.

"Yeah. We were talking about separating out solider from Jedi. Because, well, even though carrying a weapon is traditional, there's a maxim I've come across in some older Jedi writings that say variations of, if you have to draw your lightsaber, you've already failed. But in his time the Jedi joined the war, because they thought they had to, to protect civilian and end it quickly. But the truth is...the whole thing was a trap."